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Game #347 | St. Valentines Day Massacre 4v4

$eeR vs  EarL1893 vs  gladis vs  Tussell vs  Forkrul vs  Lightform vs  rrrrookie vs  Kwibus


Match Details

Played:2016-06-26
Savegame
Rating 3 - Regular Game
Amount of Humans:8
Amount of Quitter:1
Kind of game:   PBEM
Game-value: 75
Result Player Classes Races Team Points Extra Points Missed Points Quitter Rate
2 $eeRSorcererDraconians100-36here
2 EarL1893RogueDraconians2-270-58here
2 gladisWarlordGoblins2-290-57here
2 TussellWarlordOrcs100-32here
2 ForkrulTheocratTigrans2-20-20-81Yhere
2 LightformWarlordElves1-290-57here
2 rrrrookieTheocratOrcs200-37here
2 KwibusWarlordHumans100-44here
Posts to the game:

Game result in a draw after a reload didn´t work. GG

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Kwibus
It was a nice match (would be excellent if Forkrul didn´t leave), until I messed up badly.

Sorry for ruining this game. I would love a rematch.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by $eeR
Confirmed by $eeR

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Geschrieben von MARKYMARK
Will check it, draw is meaning no + or - Points for everyone.
Think all Players get same Position, think 0 or 1, maybe 0 is not possible. Will check it.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Bestätigt durch EarL1893
Bestätigt durch EarL1893

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Tussell
Confirmed by Tussell

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

347 | Age of Wonders 3
Match has been reported, please confirm!
Back to the game page

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

347 | Age of Wonders 3
Game result in a draw after a reload didn´t work.

GG

PS: I don´t know how to report a draw. Is this possible? Maybe it´s better if the game gets deleted
Back to the game page

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Ok, that was one of the reasons I was a bit unsure about going back in turns, but let us set up a rematch then.

I think Jean_de_Metz wanted to play on our side. Will your team be the same? Ofc Kwibus can be in there, too
He will be the 1st who gets defeated

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

nope , I have no idea how that happened


I guess we are going to have to have a rematch.

as for Forkul , I have seen him complete games before.... no idea why he dropped this one.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I don´t get why newbies join such a big team game. How dumb can you be.
Maybe the hosts should check their members before starting a game

Earl just said it is turn 27 now? We were on turn 56. I don´t think this was your intention?

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

The true cause of the mess was Forkul leaving the match

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Really enjoying this game so a restart would be fine with me as well.

Glad we found a solution to all of this! Once again apologies for causing this mess.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Ok you could reload as well, If something fails, we can go on with a new game.
Loosing points is not a problem for me, so it can still could count if it is put to an end some day

I think we don´t have to ask Lighform what should be done

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I am still of the opinion that we revert turns back to the turn where he accepted the AI surrender....

and it should be possible and not all that difficult to do.

But this is a democracy so I am prepared to listen to and agree with whatever the majority here woud like to do.


And yes I was aware some time ago that Kiwibus is expectant of a new child.....and can imagine some of the stress that that is causing him. There are times in PBEM when I was in a rush and played turns making various mistakes because of real life influences such as stress or inebriation or time constraints when there was turn timer. Or just played turns when I was "not thinking straight"



another fair option would be to call for  a full REMATCH allowing the other team to find a more reliable teammate.

I know most of the players are likely enjoying this match ( like most of the pbems I host ) but the fairness scale has tipped even futher away from one team. ( also part of why I gave gladis warning before attacking his throne )


anyhow

whatever happens

if we continue , I think at the end of game I will delete this match so that no players involved have any kind of rankin points awarded or lost.

that way there is nothing at stake , and its just for fun.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

thanks for your understanding.

What I did was obviously wrong and I don't know why my brain let me down when making those desicions, because I agree with Gladis that it's an easy and obvious choice. It just didn't occur to me.


Is it really not better to reload 2 turns back? I didn't play my turn yesterday because of this ongoing discussion and I won't be able play my turn within 12 hours as I can't reach the 2nd floor of my house where my pcmis due to people working in my house. So consider what to do and if we agree to play on with me disbanding the free units/heroes then I will do just that tonight. Shouldn't I raze the former capital as well? 

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Ok I think we fighting on then. I simply wasn´t able to underatand your action, but maybe some other players are right if they think you weren´t aware to this being unfair. My personal opinion is another since I think it should be an easy decison (not the auto-fight - close one for many players I fear - but the issue with capitulation).
I´m sure Seer will be aware of what Earl and I do in another game xD

The former AI units + 2 heroes should be sent away - I don´t know if it´s possible to send heroes away

For me the other things must not be changed.  After all the game should come to an end..
But we will give you a hard time!


We will discuss our differences in PM, Kwibus.

Congrats for your child btw

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

For sure it's okay to fight against the KI, but then in auto-combats like against human players of course <smiletext1>

PS: Didn't read your comment.

#closed

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Just to say, I support Kwibus, I believe he is an honest player and I was surprised by the bad rating. He probably made a big mistake here but I hope you guys can find a solution. <smiletext0>
(I'm writing that as a normal player, I remind you judges' perimeter is limited to the tournament for which they are judges, outside, people police themselves alone)

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I forgot to reply to Gladis first comment. 

I agree that I never should've manual fought the AI. That's indeed an obvious lame move, but I'm completely honest here when I say that unfortunately I just didn't think about it when I did this. 
Actually I think that in the past I've ran into a same situation like this and I did auto-battle the AI, but somehow I'm shooting blanks now as why my brain left a big fart. 
Probably because I'm in a very hectic period of my life with a lot of work on my house and my 2nd child coming between now and week. Ofcourse this isn't an excuse, but I just don't know why I didn't think of it and I completely understand why someone would think I'm an abusive unfair player. I would've thought the same.

Once again... I'm sorry, but please next time send me a message first!

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I'm sorry, but believe me I never even thought of it being a bad act of sportsmanship(That's maybe dumb, but it really didn't occur to me). I was just wondering why Earl and Gladis gave me a bad player fairness rating and as this game and the 2vs2vs2vs2 game is the only one I'm playing with them I checked the comments to find this.

I'm all for going back a few turns, if it's a move that's not considered as fairplay. In a way I understand it's not fair as it's allready 3 vs 4 ,but then again what am I supposed to do with the AI? 
I was mostly fighting the AI as it's what I found on my path with my army.(So I didn't go look for him!!) If I ignore the AI it will eventually attack me as my strong army will move forward and then it will strike my weak settlements behind my main forces.

So in al my naivity I would like to know the common rule about this situation as it's a new one for me. AoW3 is the first time I'm playing an 4x online so maybe this is something normal for you, but it's a new situation for me. 
I'm all for fairplay so if this is unacceptable then I must accept to consequences and delete the units/heroes I got from the AI and raze the former capital to the ground. 
I understand your point about the empire quest which I can not revert so in that case we need to return.

If it's possible to go back 2 turns then that's also fine with me, but then tell me how to handle the AI?

p.s. You can make fun of me and flame me down Earl and Gladis, but maybe you could've contacted me first about this situation.
Then again you guys don't know me and I would've most likely drawn quick conclusions as well in a similar situation I'm familiar with and others are not.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100


Wouldn´t make sense I think. Better option would be if the former AI units would be sent away!

But it would only fix some points. Not the possible loss of some units in a fair fight, not the lost city + unit of Earl, not his reached empire quest with 100 units. I honestly think about ending this game. This isn´t the way I wan´t to play, so best way is to quit in this case. Ofc not every player will be with me, but then I beg him not to join in a game with me.


user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Should we Revert enough turns to go back and change what happened ?

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I was a little surprised to see that occurrence myself this turn.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Kwibus, you are by far the best player EVER!
Stunning how you took out our AI and then accepted his capitulation.

Very honourable. I won´t play a game with you, because you are way too strong for me!

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Nice, that blow with the leave of a player wasn´t big enough. You still need opponents who figth manual aganst the AI to leave you even more on the lower side.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Yes very close. bad AI moves on both sides. Swarm darters kept firing at the flyer and your leader came to heal a elemental and was assassinated by the phantoms. But I knew that you try to conquer my throne, did some kind of gamble in these rounds though, but the support of teammates was vital in this

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

That Was a close Encounter.  But you survived Gladis. thanks to your support and my warning perhaps.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I was able to kill the lonely Elemental on the water. I guess you can attack my throne next turn, but it won´t be that easy. Nice to see Earl smashed the fallen angel, too

Let´s see whether I survive next round!

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

where is this invisible stack now? xD I have an idea, but if they already went further, I am in real trouble.
I wonder whether you know all the UG-entrances on our side

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Let´s see whether they arive in time <smiletext1>

This will be three interesting turns

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

When I first read gladis' post i thought he was saying he had killed your leader and the invisible stack. I was sure I had it cornered once and told earl and gladis that I would kill it next turn. I hate that stack. 

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Haven't got around to my turn yet but assume you attacked the spirit ELE and Ogre stack.

thank goodness , the upkeep on those was pretty high.

glad they managed to kill your hero and leader.


the Trojan horse has been delivered.....lets go sack his Cap now boys we have 3 turns.

hope he hasn't spotted the invisible stack....

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

One further leader and heroe have died. This time it was me who suffer this blow.

But I managed to kill six T3 of Seer. Don´t know whether the attack was a good idea

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

One of us lost a hero there yes.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Get some hereo-stacks killed by the ships in the south? <smiletext0>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNTECqi0Ms

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

no problem rookieee  , think I put timer off anyways.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I will be out of town for the weekend beginning tomorrow (Thursday) morning. I think I should be able to process a turn within the 3 day limit but will post here if it is becoming a problem. 

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Well he is on my blacklist, unless he comes up with a very good explanation.

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Very disappointing to see Forkrul go. I too could see the Gab in him. 

I will be out of town this weekend and unable to process turns. I will be back Sunday. 

user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Well, he won´t be the 2nd account of Gab after all.